lynx and good scissors

not that niche but i like qutebrowser its not good for extensions but i enjoy its simplicity and being able to mold it to your liking

Luakit it's free, GPLv3 licensed, written in Lua and C, and the devs are nice. I have also written a few extensions for it; a redirector, a work-in-progress uMatrix fork (4th or 5th iteration, I keep running into problems) unlike Qutebrowser, which has an asshole dev that doesn't care about your security (see https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/7777) for the issue, tldr; WebGL remained available to sites even though I disabled it, and the dev just dismissed it like it was no problem )

>>1483 I self compiled Basilisk, to use system-libs wherever possible, as Serpent. I even wrote and maintained an ebuild for it for about a year. Ended up leaving it because of how openly hostile towards the use of system libraries Moonchild and his two lackies are. I remember asking for help at one point because something changed in the build process that broke my ebuild, but the error message wasn't helpful (at least to me; I cam fix scripts and bits of code sometimes, but I'm not a browser programmer). I asked a question, and then got laid into for my "unauthorized" ebuild. This was a little before Moonchild and his lackies lost their shit on some *BSD repo that had "unauthorized" ports, which led to even more drama. I think one of his buddies even lamented that the codebase was opensource, and expressed admiration for how MS used to handle code. I probably won't go back to it, now that I am using and am happy with Librewolf, but I am glad to hear it is an independent project now.\ In the past I used to use SeaMonkey (sad it doesn't get more love), Midori (the old one), and even used Kazehakase (sp?) for a while WAAAAAYYYYY back.

Has anyone tried Dillo by chance?

>>1488 Dildos? of course I have hikarin!

I got SeaMonkey because it was preinstalled on Slackware and now I'm never going back

Firefox with Geckium

>>1487 interesting. yeah i have heard of nothing but bad things about Poonchild from multiple places on the internet. sucks since Pale Moon is a cool project. i also normally use Librewolf. >>1583 how well does SeaMonkey actually work?

Palemoon is fucking slow and non perfomant I would rather use Echelon if I want the old look of Firefox

>>1624 i didn't know they had CSS themes like Geckium or Echelon. i've never used any of them. i wonder what other transformative CSS themes are out there?

>>1626 Theres a photon-era theme too https://github.com/zapSNH/zapsCoolPhotonTheme And there's a collection of Netscape and IE themes aswell https://github.com/matthewmx86/RetroThemesFirefox

I know there's an Opera presto theme too somewhere but I think it's not public, I found about it in Geckium's dicksword server

>>1487 I was around for the drama with pale moon. It was the OpenBSD port that hadn't even made it into the main repo yet. The reason they threw a shit fit is due to OpenBSD's rules about how ports operate. In OpenBSD ports much use system libs and the ones in the base system are always preferred. This is for security reasons along with keeping the OS simple to use. The Pale Moon idiots threw a shit fit because they bundle a bunch of out of date libs and demand that everyone uses them. Instead of fixing their own code they do bad hacks to other code and expect you to run out of date stuff on your system. Another issue with the OpenBSD port is the use of pledge and unveil. In OpenBSD you can use those two things to restrict what applications can see and do. Their port of Firefox has almost 100 patches that change the browser so it follows certain rules. I can't make certain system calls once it's running and it can't access any directories until you give it permission via a text file. The firefox port on OpenBSD is probably the most the secure browser that can handle modern websites without issues. I run it and now and again I'll stumble on to a website that tries to do something naughty via javashit. I block all javashit by default but most of the time you have to enable one or two scripts for the pages to load. Now and again I'll enable one that causes the browser to crash because it trips pledge's rules. If I want to upload a file I have to use mv to put it in ~/Downloads or ~/uploads since those are the two directories firefox can see. This way some random website can grab everything in my home folder like my ssh keys. I really wanted to use pale moon and I did for awhile. But the developers are incompetent and refuse all help. It's really out of date now due to Google's BS and them not being good enough programmers to port that stuff. So I'm back on a highly modified firefox for the time being.

>This way some random website can grab everything in my home folder like my ssh keys. I meant they can't of course. Not sure why I randomly miss keys when I type these days. I really miss old Opera. It was great back in the day. I've tried a lot of text browsers but the modern web is so messed up you're mostly stuck with either Google or Mozilla's engine. I don't trust Google so I end up Mozilla's but modern mozilla is just as bad. The issue is we don't have real standards anymore. Google controls the W3C and they just randomly make up stuff to add to HTTP. HTTP is really screwed up now. Forcing everyone on to HTTPS made it much harder to run a website and the keys+encryption do not matter in practice. Since you have to get the key from an authority and everyone routes stuff through things like cloudflare. You hand over the keys so they can see all the data flowing through their servers in plain text. They've even started to modify it in-route. Which is a big no-no. It's possible to have anti-ddos without a big provider like cloudflare but it's a pain to setup. You have to buy multiple VPSs or servers and hide you real website behind them. It used to not be like this. It used to be very easy to put a website up on HTTP. Most data on HTTP doesn't really need to be encrypted. Even interactive stuff like imageboads and forums. HTTP/Web was supposed to be a library not what we've hacked it into. We should have had other protocols for interactive things. Something like IRC but for non-real time discussion. Another protocol for gaming. A different protocol for everything. Then HTTP could have been what it was supposed to be: A static library of information where anyone could put up a page cheaply with little issues. Without worrying about being ddos'ed by the mafia and forced into using their server as a middle man. javashit wasn't supposed to be used for most of what we're using it for. We could have something so much better that was really free. We should be able to host all our personal stuff on home servers that other people could access. Instead we've allowed everything to be centralized. So now bad people are snooping and reading all the data we produce and they're trying to prevent us from having open discourse. Having used a bunch of browser I think firefox is still your best bet. You have to modify the CSS style sheet to your liking and install a bunch of add-ons. But once you've got like that it's pretty good. At least until they push an update and break your style sheet. Usually it isn't hard to fix what they broke. I run vimum add-on with mine. So I can scroll with hjkl and do most other things by hitting a key. Works pretty good most of the time. I also have sidebar tabs that collapse. They recently added that to the browser but I disable it and use sideberry. I block all javashit by default with NoScript and I have uBlock installed too of course. It's still blocking all the ads for sites like youtube. Google tries to break youtube all of the time for firefox users. It's sometime a pain but still bearable. I mostly use yt-dlp+mpv these days when I can. What I hate most about the modern web is having to enable third party javashit on a lot of websites to get the content to load. There is no excuse for how people code websites these days. The text and images on the page should work without needing javashit and the test should use my system font. So many websites want to send 20+MB of javashit just to load a basic page with text. It's ridiculous. That's why I can get by with just using text browsers anymore. I really miss how the internet was pre 2012 or so.

I've been using Tor Browser more than a decade with scripts disabled. You can do that nowadays by setting the default security level to "safest" through the shield icon in the browser bar. I don't really know what else is out there but this is what I use, and this is what I recommend everyone else to use as well.

I've been using Tor Browser more than a decade with scripts disabled. You can do that nowadays by setting the default security level to "safest" through the shield icon in the browser bar. I don't really know what else is out there but this is what I use, and this is what I recommend everyone else to use as well.

>>1661 >>1662 Thanks for the insight hikarin. I agree that Firefox is generally the best bet to be usable on the modern web, but it's nice to dream about a less shitty version of the modern web sometimes. Sucks that Pale Moon threw away their credibility to be furry spergs. A bit unrelated, but do you have much experience with alternative webs? Things like Gopher, Gemini, Freenet, IPFS, etc? I like the idea of them and absolutely see the appeal but from my (limited) experience they're a bit too niche and often too limited to have much content. My idealistic cope fever dream is all the people of the "dissident web" (for lack of a better term) who use IRC and altchans and such to migrate off the clearweb into some sort of alternative internet protocol(s) but I know that will not happen.